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    • Originally posted by valentinoo:

      is this forum alive??? where are all the smart alecs


      I teaching tuition outside mah

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    • Originally posted by rs rs:

      is this even in a level syllabus or sth?

      This is called a double integral

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    • Originally posted by valentinoo:

      do the inside first, and thread y like a constant

      so, for the inside integral, after integrating, you get

       ( ln |(1-xy)|  )( 1/(-y)  )  from 0 to 1

      Putting in the values, you get

      (-1/y)( ln  |1-y|   -  ln (1)   )   =   (-1/y)( ln |1-y| )

       

      Our next integral is integrating y from 0 to 1, so 1-y will always be greater or equals to zero  =>  |1-y|  = (1-y)

       

      this is a special integral, and I admit I forgot how to do it actually... Found the answer online somewhere, and adapted it here... we can use power series to solve it

      since we integrate (-1/y)( ln (1-y) )  from 0  to 1
      http://thesaurus.maths.org/mmkb/entry.html?action=entryById&id=2705

       

       

      (-1/y)( ln (1-y) )  = x + x^2/2 + x^3/3 + ...)/x = 1 + x/2 + x^2/3 + ....

      Integrating from 0 to 1 we get 1 + 1/2^2 + 1/3^2 + ...

      This is the same as summing 1/n^2 from 0 to infinity, and whose answer is pi^2 / 6

       

       

       

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    • Originally posted by rs rs:

      are u sure it's in a level syllabus? im quite sure i've never seen this before...


      I think is uni first year maths

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    • Originally posted by eagle:

      do the inside first, and thread y like a constant

      so, for the inside integral, after integrating, you get

       ( ln |(1-xy)|  )( 1/(-y)  )  from 0 to 1

      Putting in the values, you get

      (-1/y)( ln  |1-y|   -  ln (1)   )   =   (-1/y)( ln |1-y| )

       

      Our next integral is integrating y from 0 to 1, so 1-y will always be greater or equals to zero  =>  |1-y|  = (1-y)

       

      this is a special integral, and I admit I forgot how to do it actually... Found the answer online somewhere, and adapted it here... we can use power series to solve it

      since we integrate (-1/y)( ln (1-y) )  from 0  to 1
      http://thesaurus.maths.org/mmkb/entry.html?action=entryById&id=2705

       

       

      (-1/y)( ln (1-y) )  = x + x^2/2 + x^3/3 + ...)/x = 1 + x/2 + x^2/3 + ....

      Integrating from 0 to 1 we get 1 + 1/2^2 + 1/3^2 + ...

      This is the same as summing 1/n^2 from 0 to infinity, and whose answer is pi^2 / 6

      excellent!!!

  • valentinoo's Avatar
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    • hi guys any solution? any other method and alternatives?

      Edited by valentinoo 25 Aug `08, 5:06AM
  • valentinoo's Avatar
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    • can u try doing it using surface integral?  contouuur integrral leads to back to summation

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    • Don't think I know any more methods liao...

      I stopped at year 1 engineering maths... And forgotten quite a great deal...

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    • Originally posted by eagle:

      Don't think I know any more methods liao...

      I stopped at year 1 engineering maths... And forgotten quite a great deal...


      can you get somebody to help me pls?

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    • erm... I guess you ask your lecturers or friends better liao...

      Unless some maths major appear to help in this forum... But I guess you can't expect much for that to happen... The numbers are not a lot even in this country, let alone a forum...

      Any reason why there's a need for using surface integrals to solve?

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